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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.11 17:53:00 -
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I am a BIG ECM fan but when it comes to AT matches I think they are a **** way to go. Kinda like anyone trained in its use could pull that card, it can work almost always if done as ridiculously overkill as that was, but it makes your team look like a total *****.
Granted in AT you play to win, but teams so overwhelmingly ECM just seem like they have no forethought and show that they either had no counter to an expected fleet or really had enough concern to make themselves look like cowards.
:( I had better hopes from the PL team.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:09:00 -
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What I was meaning by expecting more from PL, is any bunch of idiots can fit a bunch of ECM ships in a match and do well. When it comes to beating an ECM team like that, your only hopes are having a faster lock time and drone swarms. There are other ways but to be honest the chances anyone would have countered that correctly are fewer than the entries of this tournament.
You can ask anyone in UK who knows me, I constantly suggest more ECM in fleets because it can do wonders but I guess maybe now they will listen to me.
A pat on the back for the FC to bring it, I just honestly was hoping for a better formed fleet then paper-rock-scissors setup that is ECM fighting. You either jam or dont jam (some higher risk but if your fully trained really doesnt make a difference with THAT many modules).
Yeah no mix of ships was really in the picture compared to last matches, so our setup could have been easily assumed to be Amarr/Minnie. If they guessed that and fitted even a couple of racial ECMs that could have been 2 high strength ECM's per ship.
One thing that amazed me was the T2 Amarr hulls. I havent checked the sensor strengths but out of the box, Amarr have some of the strongest sensors to jam and have a higher fail ratio.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:39:00 -
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Yeah the typhoon had an ECCM I think but it was primaried immediately heh.
I've seen some success with ECCM but generally if the person your against has 2 ECM IIs or better running offset and they have at least 1 sensor jam str rig and prob 1-2 amps, you have only 1 or 2 shots to even get a lock off.
Smart ECM pilots cycle, but some REALLY brick ECM pilots set them all off like its a race to turn the most on at once. That is total fail.
All in all I guess I should thank PL considering how much people ignore me when I try to get fleets to add extra ECM ships. I think large fleets with a 10-15% fleet comprised of ECM ships fitted in a sneaky sneaky manner can cause utter chaos on their victims.
UK has a chance to at least save face in the next too matches, but I did see a nice PL match up that I am interested in seeing their fleet comp for with PL vs. HYDRA RELOADED.
*sigh* As time goes on the pain lessens. I moved my tower over to the TV to watch it in its HD splendor just to realize how crappy of a mood that put me in lol.
So while I can't take it back as its already e-history, I guess all I can say is thanks PL for slapping some peoples senses for me, not necessarily the ones I intended though.
I always enjoy flying with Lord Makk so I hope he has a few more surprises in store for our next two opponents. For those of you who slander his setups, just remember one thing...
Those unconventional setups are how we discover new ones that end up becoming the FOTM. Iron Fist, Hydra fleets, Wolf Packs, and a slew of other compositions are created by people trying something out. Granted some with a little less imagination, but successful pilots fail sometimes due to expectations of what pens out well on paper falls apart against the chaotic nature that is EVE and its players.
There was a reason he tried that setup, and knowing Lord Makk, it more then likely has potential when the fits are taken into account. I know quite a few people have had trouble killing him when hes in his Cerebus, while I wont divulge the fit, requires a master of micromanagement and more then some dedication and experience.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: a newbie What I was meaning by expecting more from PL, is any bunch of idiots can fit a bunch of ECM ships in a match and do well.
Ok, I can believe that, tell me more....
Originally by: a newbie When it comes to beating an ECM team like that, your only hopes are having a faster lock time and drone swarms. There are other ways but to be honest the chances anyone would have countered that correctly are fewer than the entries of this tournament.
Wait, so the set up that any idiot could field is virtually unbeatable by most of the tournament entries and only countered by two things, and yet nobody else really fielded that set up?
Also, if any idiot can field it and do well, why didn't UK against an opponent like PL, didn't you want to win? (2 part questions can be tricky, take your time).
LOL and as far as this goes, Trolling failed.. Might want to check your flint and tinder
Besides the fact ECM is almost always primaried, certain people decide to abhore ECM instead of covet it, they feel its a cheat. Most hardcore PVPers I speak to feel this way about it, and to their own detriment they shy away from it.
It happens, and its the way some people treat it for better or for worse. Some PVPers still follow E-Honor, and don't feel sated with victory without a little blood on their side.
*sighs* usually being the ECM pilot it's mine as I am way to few in a large number of ships.
The name doesnt help if there is an A-Z FC either LOL!
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon TDR guys, what'd I say about posting without asking me for permission?
BAD, BAD TDR!! Get back into your corners now or I will be very cross with you!
NO DADDY!! NOT THE HOSE AGAIN!!!
*runs away flailing arms in the air*
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin Perhaps in this life, or one before you were a matador.
LOL I hope there are no bulls around in that case, I may try and skewer them with my sword.. Past lives don't always translate well to the present so I would assume it would be ME who was skewered heh.
Shish-kah-newb!
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:51:00 -
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ROFL WHY DO PEOPLE THINK IM CRYING?! A lot of readers have a SERIOUS tone of inflection issue here lol. Everyone assumes someone is hostile. Lay off the roids. Ive been laughing since the my 2nd and 3rd reply.
If people have stopped complaining over half a page ago .
But since I am the center of the world I am going to assume your talking about me(please excuse me while I this thread to talk about adorable hug-able fluffy kittens!).
So I have 4 cats and a dog, they like catnip.. A LOT. I swear this o......
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:32:00 -
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LOL wow some of you guys are seriously messed up. I WAS ****ed when I made initial posts and have LONG since gotten over it and even thanked the PL FC...
Yet you guys think my posting later in jest is tears? LOL that's disconcerting.
Have you guys gotten so used to butthurt capsuleers that you honestly think someone cant change their mood? I think someone has some issues here and it isn't me.
I was irritated the first post and a little the second, and laughing my lack of posterior off in all the others. Seriously if you read only the first post then assume everything else you guys really are socially inept. I can understand why there are always people getting ****ed at others on these forums. Because either you don't read any further or you make assumptions that make YOU look like an idiot.
I apologized for my first two posts, and showed that later I agreed with PL for specific reasons. Whats that matter? That not common enough that you can understand a change of mind? Go ahead and "collect more tears" but really its just me ****ing from up high laughing at you now.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:45:00 -
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LOL that whole rivalry on the desk thing was making me laugh. The face that the PL guy had was priceless lol. Someone linked it in the start of the topic.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Affinity Bumping this for posterity.
LOL
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evanga
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Lord Makk Personally i'm only happy a more terrible poster than me has appeared, and saved my precious internet reputation from more stains.
I love you too, my little Norwegian princess <3
will you too, be in the gay bar this evening? Ill be the one with the pink panties with on the frontside printed "CCP only"
Actually I was hoping I would find them 2 at a furry convention. I saw a hilarious one on "1000 ways to Die" where the guy was tripping on shrooms and thought a real bear was someone looking for some tender lovin...
The blackmail would be priceless!
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:55:00 -
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LOL You can thank our TS. No one thought to inform Makk of a TS3 acting up haha. So as far as I know they didn't know how to primary etc. *shrugs* My POV still stands, any idiots can do it, but Idiots with communication usually makes the difference.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:59:00 -
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Im sorry does my presence offend you?
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 19:04:00 -
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LOL I honestly missed what he said (watching while cleaning the rotating arms to the dishwasher LOL). Someone mentioned DDoSd I mentioned nothing about that other then our TS was having problems. It is something that happens sometimes unfortunately.. people turn into chipmunk terminators or something.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 19:12:00 -
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LOL feel free to get worked up its pixels. I am getting laughs all around here. Since people don't read correctly or read one paragraph and not the other relevant posts and think THAT IS HOW IT IS, well that's your fail not mine.
People are allowed to post an opinion, got a problem with that tough _______ (insert whatever floats your boat). This forum is for players, so bring your torches, bring your thermal rounds, whatever and troll away! I am hiding behind my super duper force field, and I can fly, and um.. I shoot LAZER BEAMS OUT OF MY EYES! BWAHAHAHAHAAHA
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